[Mike]

Hi Rob
You know me so well I have been “buckling my swash” (lol) for many a year and although unlikely to change this is a joint venture and there is always a compromise. My concern is that no matter what the price if just one fails to complete (as happened today) or runs a stinker it brings the whole bet down therefore (and you did indicate bet builders “plural”) I would suggest we perm our “joint selections” in such a way as to leave the back door open just in case the odd one lets us down. This would still give us the possibility of all the permutations coming in as we usually have half the given number of runners in “Bet Builders” which gives us the scope to play the numbers a bit more.
Today’s bet for the thread was intended to be the 4-1 shot with the other bets only being put down as options to include the selections where we did not agree. I have no problem at all with the suggested race on Saturday as long as everyone else is ok with it. ?
The only thing that is likely to need to be addressed in the interim is my assessments did not rate Victor Kesia (6th) today and obviously only Suds and I had rated Miss Kingston (3rd). Now I can see the bias on my sheets as the conversion from Flat ratings to NH is probably woefully inadequate and Miss Kingston was highlighted with us by a non standard speed rating which nobody else would have seen.
I am in conversation with Hopefull over sharing/developing an excel sheet for everyone to share/look at/ contribute to which our tech dept Sean can help set up if it gets to technical. ?

[Mike]

Hi
No winning bet today as (apparently) the tack slipped on Music For Life but such is life. However I am more than happy with the way its going especially as for the second time now the long shot has been knocking on the door. Today’s 110-1 option mentioned above was not far off….

Gangster Granny (Top 6) 7th
Crohan Lady (Top 7) 4th
Frontier Rose (Top 8) 9th
Victoria Kesia (Top 8) 6th
Miss Kingston (Top 8) 3rd

It would appear again that between us we can do it it’s just a question of playing to out strengths or working out what they are. ? We managed to get the tissue odds more or less right Rob and Hopefull spotted the flat horse Victoria Kesia 100-1 6th and with Suds selecting the outsiders Miss Kingston 40-1 3rd and Crohan Lady 25-1 4th we certainly have the ingredients we just need to work on the recipe.

[Mike]

Hi
It’s getting a bit close time wise but all the non runners seem to have been sorted out now so here goes. After the non runners the most popular joint selection for our thread in my opinion would be the following which is priced up at 4-1.

Music Of Life (Top 2)
Jasmine Pearl (Top 3)
Daboya (Top 4)

As an alternative should one of the top two come unstuck our nb options provide this at 14-1

Daboya (Top 5)
Gangster Granny (Top 6)
Crohan Lady (Top 7)
Frontier Rose (Top 8)

Take out Daboya and put in the horses we selected but could not agree on Victoria Kesia and Miss Kingston for (Top 8) and you hit 110-1.

[Mike]

Hi
I have just updated the final tweaks “for better or worse” and will post before anything appears online as it adds to the tension…lol. I have had issues with creating a better differential between the prices and may possibly have overdone that aspect but only time will tell. ?? I also believe in time my new spreadsheet has the potential to be called “The Idiots Guide to Tissue Odds”.
But it may not be for the right reasons……lol.

Music Of Life 18-5
Jasmine Pearl 4-1
Moody Girl 6-1
Daboya 17-2
Crohan Lady 14-1
Miss Kingston 16-1
Gangster Granny 16-1
Miss Georgina 20-1
Frontier Rose 22-1
Ballingurteen 25-1
Walk In The Clouds 33-1
Angels Halo 33-1
Lucy Alpine Jade 33-1
Dancing Dame 33-1
40-1 bar

nb. Victoria Kesia does not show up on my sheet but is mentioned by both Rob and Hopefull so could be anything but my calcs are based on hurdle rating and times so… ??

[Mike]

Hi Rob
Well spotted ! yes that’s the one. It seems to have more scope than the others.

[Mike]

Hi
I will be having a go at the 2.32 at Thurles on Thursday if anyone wants to join in. Obviously I will be waiting for the jockey declarations as I am not expecting more than fifteen to go to post. It’s a Maiden Hurdle so hopefully will also be an easier one to work out. ?

[Mike]

Hi
Well that was close Rob, Andy and Joe all scored +16.62 with Gaelic Warrior beating Mgame’s Fact To File by a neck. I picked up 7.5 points with Kala Conti. This means the November competition is now a two horse race between Rob and Suds.

November Competition
Rob +51.56 (4 wins)
Suds +44.31 (3 wins)
Joe +25.31 (3 wins)
Moi +25.10 (3 wins)
Mgame +22.94 (3 wins)
Andy +20.91 (2 wins)
Hopefull +4.29 (1 win)

[Mike]

Hi Rob
You should know me by now from back in the old days with my 100-1 shots thread..lol.
As for this thread in theory it runs itself and you can add to the existing list as and when. It took a lot of developing but we think we have a system that is unbreakable it is just a question of taking it to the next level. The only draw back is that you have to update the data base on a regular basis.
As an example of unbreakable “Fool Me Once” our disaster horse is running again tomorrow but obviously as it is a perpetual loser each time it loses, the price gets bigger. So to recoup our losses today he is currently 20-1 and to get our 10 point target profit we would only have to place a 1.5 points each way wager and the max loss would be 3 points.
Ok…you have convinced me (or have I convinced myself) we go for him again..lol

Cork 1.00 Fool Me Once 20-1 for 4 places subject to any better options in the next hour or two.

[Mike]

Hi
Its “Hats Off” to Suds today in the competition who had three winners and a grand total of +44.31 points on the day. This makes Suds our new points leader and tied with Rob on three wins for the month. Suds also has one more win in the overall competition and a grand total of +48.81.
This however could change tomorrow as Suds has no runners but Rob has two going by way of Jade De Grugy and Gaelic Warrior. Mgame could also get involved this month if Fact To File turns over Gaelic Warrior which would make it a cracking finish to the monthly competition next weekend.

[Mike]

Hi Rob
No problem always best to take a time out but for what its worth I made this very same point to Suds on the Trainer thread just this morning. In that, Gavin Cromwell who trained your “Grandy Lane” today is having probably his worse run of form in an age and currently would struggle to put out a runner to win a match against my milkman’s horse. I only noticed this as he also trains the nemesis on my thread “Fool Me Once” and is Suds nominated trainer this month.

[Mike]

Hi Rob
I have been looking through all of the threads recently as we approach a new years racing and I am sure it is no coincidence that over 75% of the bad runs occur when the ground cuts up badly. I am running some data checks but for many years have considered taking a step from backing when the ground has been declared as “Heavy” 24 hours before the racing is due to go off. ?

[Mike]

Hi Suds
No worries but it was me who egged you on to take it a step further. I genuine believe you have just been unlucky with Gavin Cromwell he has been responsible for training my nemesis “Fool Me Once” who was another one from the yard to pull up yesterday. Sometimes yards go through a rough patch but when they recover, there runners usually come back with a vengeance better handicapped etc.
I would consider the old rolling maul scenario in this instance and if you ever want to swap threads I am looking for a challenge and as the “2026 Ridulous Idea” is taken from our database and you know how to run that. ?

[Mike]

Hi
My nemesis “Fool Me Once” has fooled me again this time he pulled up halfway round and I think I have resigned myself to the fact that he is going to be the one disappointment with this thread as I start to wind it down. He is now 25 points down and likely to be the reason I don’t manage to stay out of CCU this x mas.
I am struggling to insert tables and excel sheets on WordPress but am working on it. In the meantime here is a quick breakdown of the results for 2026 so far which includes yesterdays -5 point disaster.
We have had 24 winners totaling +314.45
We have 10 in profit via place money which comes in at +18-10
We have 31 bad boys who are still in various states of deficit totaling -131.05
This brings us to a total of +201.50 (which differs from my running total of +185.50. I am looking into that but it occurred when I was incapacitated and may take a while.

Fool Me Once tops the list of bad boys at -25
Dream Shaper is next on -9
Lakota Blue is -8
Space Warrior -7
Yarraman Makarratta -6
All the others are -5 or less
I would dearly love to remove a few of these from the naughty step but we are running out of time.

[Mike]

Hi
A winner and a non runner last time out lets hope we can back on track this weekend

Haydock 1.15 Kabral Du Mathan 13-8
Ascot 1.30 Pic D Orhy 3-1
Ascot 2.40 Celtic Dino 9-2
Haydock 3.00 Haiti Couleurs 7-2
Cork 2.10 The Big Westerner @ SP
Cork 3.00 Fastorslow 5-1

The winning numbers this week are 4,7,16,23,26 and 50

[Mike]

Hi Suds
As I said in a previous post it was me that encouraged you to try a new angle which took you away from what a successful thread so blame me but it was a tad unlucky that the first trainer you chose to link with specific jockeys has had a bad run of form. Gavin Cromwell has had 6 of his last 22 NH horses Pull Up but it will come around its just a question of whether you want to continue with it as it stands until the end of the month scrap it or go all in. ?

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